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Bears react to the winning coaching behaviors around the rest of the North : NFCNorthMemeWar
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Newsy Relieved of Coaching Duties, McLellan hired : DetroitRedWings
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What woke you up and snapped you out of the coaching world? And how did you heal?
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For me.... I got into coaching by hiring my first business coach in November 2015. I wanted to quit my corporate job and have the freedom to help people and work from anywhere and make unlimited income. Sounds like eva everyone else, right?
I ended up getting my first paying client not as a coach but as a copywriter, and I ended up making the majority of my income as a copywriter for coaches until last month (December 2023).
I started waking up in September 2023 when I found Danielle Ryan on YouTube and since Duped, The Dream, and the recent Conspirituality podcast. It’s actually a wonder I didn’t wake up sooner since I’ve already been consuming Anti-MLM and Anti-Scam content for 2+ years.
That said there have been so many ah-has since my wake up started that led me to deciding I cannot have ANY TIE to coaching anymore and to completely closing my copywriting business last month, but here are a few poignant ones...
- I spent $9K on a 12 month health coach that ended this past November. The goal was weight loss. Although they delivered a product to me and I got a 1:1 coach who was nice enough I really don’t know who had any legit credentials, the girl who was the face of the company was never seen again after I enrolled, and I got absolutely no results. It was such a waste and I had this come to Jesus realization that I was spending over 10% of my gross income on NOTHING. And I had to come to terms with the fact that I’ve done this for years with the embarrassing amount of money I spent on all the coaching and courses. It’s been a hard pill to swallow.
- I had an exchange with my last significant client early last month. She is a business coach. We got into a disagreement about selling offers on Instagram. I said I thought something $1K was high enough and I let someone wouldn’t simply buy it from a link in her story but she told me she thought anything $3K and below was “low ticket” and her ideal avatar (coaches making $250K+ already) would too so she only wanted to link to the cart. The reason this even came up was because we’d been marketing these “smaller” offers on her IG for over 2 months and no one had bought them so clearly something wasn’t working and I wanted to point out what I thought it was. It was just a real life example of how absurd the pricing gets in coaching and how blinded you can get to it when you’re in that world.
- A woman I probably spent about $10K with and also sent 2-3 clients her way for her certification program said she would not remove my testimonials when I asked because I signed a release. She said she would consider it as she redoes marketing materials in future launches. I know she references me in specific emails and it irritates me so much that I can’t do a thing about it even though I wouldn’t want to endorse her program anymore. Just goes to show you can’t trust testimonials. I was a copywriter for years and had to pick and choose and manipulate testimonials to fit needs. Ugh.
What woke you up and got you out of the coaching world?
How did you heal or are you healing?
I just can’t believe I was so fooled for so long on my OK days I’m just a little bummed by it and other days it bring a strong sense of shame and depression. 😫
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I am not healed. I spent $21,000 on LCS CCP and can honestly say the following:
- I am ashamed that I bought into this. I don't tell family or friends what I spent on certification.
- When people ask why I am not coaching, I explain that I realized I don't want to be an entrepreneur. The honest answer is that I did NOT feel at all equipped to coach people with this training.
- While I DO value some of the tools, I cannot find a way to see past the massively inflated price tag. It takes advantage of people. period.
- I hope that all of the people who have or do work for LCS become enlightened enough to realize what their contribution to this MLM has done to a community of people who just wanted to make a positive difference in the world. Shame on you. How's that for a thought?
Are Executive Coaches Worthwhile? I’m Skeptical.
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I had a friend, who I personally don’t believe is more than an average leader in their industry, tell me that the company he works at pays for him to have a leadership coach. That made me curious.
I’ve heard decent stories about coaches and you see them touted a lot on Reddit. I can’t decide if people are gullible or are trying to justify their use of a coach or if they actually get something out of it.
Successful C suite executives existed long before coaching. Most of the people I know who climbed the corporate ladder had a mixture of medium to high performance, good networking, and a little bit of luck. I’m not confident that if I polled half of the executives at Fortune 500 companies I would find 20 percent who used executive coaches or mentors.
I come from a military background. Executive coaching would have been considered laughable and mentorship comes from learning what good leadership looks like from bad or toxic leadership in your own chain of command. There are people I wanted to emulate and leaders I found abrasive and lacking in empathy. I learned from my own leadership opportunities as well by observing how my own subordinates performed under different styles.
When I went into the civilian world, I made it a point to recognize that military style leadership doesn’t always cut it but I really have trouble convincing myself I need someone to tell me where I need to improve as a leader who isn’t in leadership in my industry. After all, why aren’t they making a bazillion bucks as a CTO at Meta if they know the path?
I view seeking advice and paying for someone to tell you where you fall short as a waste of time and money when you can learn that on your own but I also think I might have antiquated ideas about this.
Does this sound similar to others? Am I just out of touch and need to be less cynical and hard headed? I’d love to make it into C suite at some point but I don’t know if I’m doing this right or not anymore.
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Executive and leadership coach here. Being skeptical isn't a bad thing at all.
There are different types of coaches with a variety of backgrounds, training, and experience. And different coaches coach in different ways. A coach isn't necessarily there to tell you what you're doing wrong. They help you clearly define the goals or outcomes that you personally want to achieve. And then they help you create an effective plan for achieving those outcomes.
It's reasonable to ask, "what makes this person qualified to tell me what to do?" You might find a coach who has a lot of experience in a role similar to yours, who has been very successful in that role and can provide the benefit of their experience. This person might provide mentorship or advice based on that experience.
But many coaches don't give advice. They're trained to ask questions that help you explore your own thinking. They help you get a better understanding of exactly what you want to accomplish. They help you identify potential obstacles and understand how to overcome them. They provide an outside view that can be very valuable. They'll ask questions that you might never think to ask yourself. Someone who does this kind of coaching might occasionally make suggestions during a coaching session, but they won't say, "this is what you should do."
Plenty of successful people in leadership roles find this type of coaching very valuable. They appreciate talking with someone who has that outside perspective, someone who will ask questions that challenge their default ways of thinking.
Successful C-suite executives definitely existed before coaching was a thing. And people survived broken legs before orthopedic surgeons were a thing. The old way of doing things isn't always the most effective, or the best way for everyone.
And some coaches aren't making a bazillion bucks at Meta because they've already been in C-suite or other executive positions and simply find coaching more interesting and satisfying. A lot of coaches make great money through coaching, but some people are willing to earn less if that allows them to feel genuinely excited about going to work every day.
All this being said, if you're going to hire a coach or your company is providing one, you have every right to ask about their experience, training, and approach to coaching. If you're working with a coach who wants to give a lot of advice, it's totally legitimate to ask what their advice is based on. A competent coach will be willing to answer questions, including, "what makes you an expert?" or "why should I listen to you?"
I worked with a life coach, here's my experience
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TLDR: I'm glad I decided to work with a coach because that's how I learn best - someone keeping me accountable for the changes I need to make. Also, it's helpful to have a different perspective on your insecurities and realize they've all been fed to you. I notice a common theme coaches help you work on is cutting the bullshit chatter in your mind and living life from your intuition and gut feelings, which is your "highest self" (I.e. the "you" that isn't ego-driven and doesn't give into insecurities). Group coaching is pretty cool because you get to meet new people who are on your level and want to make a change in their lives too - it's easier to open up to strangers vs people you already know who may judge you or not want you to change. There are so many different types of coaches out there such as 1:1 or group coaching and they all bring different things to the table. Lastly, I feel like all the self-help books make way more sense and resonate more. Before, I was just reading them and taking bits and pieces that resonated, but now i'm realizing they're all saying the same thing - you get to decide who you want to be and here are some conscious or sub-conscious things that might be holding you back.
The reason I wrote this post is to tell people who are struggling that help is out there and they should definitely consider it if they feel very lost and alone. Please don't waste any more time, time will never come back.
How to find a coach: ask friends, Yelp, Google, Instagram, referrals etc. I found one coach through a referral, another through Yelp, and my newest one on Instagram. You can start following coaches that relate to you on social and see who vibes with you.
Certification: Honestly, I looked into certifications and it doesn't really mean much. I didn't check to see if my coaches had a certification because I realize life experience/referrals were enough for me to know if someone was good - anyone can get a certification.
Hey friends. I wanted to share my experience about working with 2 life coaches in the past 2 years and now i'm on my third coach. If you asked me about life coaching a couple of years ago, I would have said "uhh, no thanks, I can figure my shit out on my own". However, in 2020 I kind of got to my wits end: I lacked motivation, I was always sleepy, my income wasn't where I wanted it to be, I had major issues with money, I would stress eat, I would feel envious of others, I would get offended easily, I would lash out, I would get hurt by others easily, I cared way too much about what people would think, I was a people pleaser, and all this while I was trying to start a business. At the time, I thought I wanted a business coach to help me figure out how to do the "left brain" side of business. I remember talking to a friend who hired a business coach and asking her how it was going. She felt so-so about her business coach, but she also was working with a spiritual awakening coach (nothing to do with religion). She told me her mind was blown. I was intrigued. The price tag was a bit high for me, so I kind of wrote it off. A few weeks later, my friend messaged me and told me the coach was doing a virtual talk and Q&A if I wanted to learn more about her and the program. I ended up showing up - it's free, why not? The coach definitely caught my attention. This specific coach was focused on women and was nailing everything I was going through (the stuff I listed above). It was group coaching, so I was a bit unsure, but I said screw it, let me try. The money part was a bit uneasy for me to digest, but honestly, I would probably spend that same amount of money overtime on clothes, eating out, drinks, travel etc.
I started the program and it was with 15 other women in my demographic and right off the bat everyone was so vulnerable. Everyone felt safe in this space to share whatever they were struggling with and I knew I was in the right spot. I no longer felt alone. I made 15 very close friends all from my computer during quarantine - that in itself was pretty magical. Our coach would cover a different topics every week (body, money, family etc) and we would talk about it. Some girls would be on a "hot seat" and we'd all learn from her experience. This is when I realized group coaching was pretty cool - we're all going through the same shit, but with different characters. The program was 8 weeks long and fast forward... I thought I just did a decade of therapy to sort through all my shit. What I love about the "coaching" part is you get your process the stuff you've been through, but the coach makes you take action to help you move forward and be the person you want to be.
End result of first program: higher confidence, new friends, quit my job and decided to focus 100% on my business (doubled my income by going on my own), cut out toxic people out of my life, learned how to respond to shitty people with grace, learned how to take up space and use my voice, learned what I needed to shed - especially stuff my parents passed down to me, processed my past, worked on self-forgiveness and realized my power as a woman.
Re: cost - I'm glad I invested that money in myself. I've been working on my money issues and seeing how investing in myself helped me make more money is evidence in itself that I was viewing money in the wrong way before.
In 2021, I starting working with an "Intuitive Business Coach" to help me figure out my business. I had a slow month and it was taking a toll on me. I was falling back into bad habits of self-judgement and talking down to myself. My gut said to search for the word "intuitive" because that's how I wanted to run my business (vs following a set of rules). I searched on Yelp and found my lady. She helped me master my mind and deeply connect with my intuition. This type of coaching was all about "thought" - understanding the chatter in my head is just bullshit chatter and it doesn't really help. Example: I would talk myself out of getting out of bed and waking up early - but she reminded me this was all mental chatter - the real conscious me can just ignore the chatter and get up. It was pretty interesting. After working with her, I realized how to use my mind to my advantage. I could choose not to feed certain thoughts as soon as they came into my mind. I was more aware of what I would think. I would say "more please" to the good thoughts or "no thanks" to the bad the ones. This was life-changing to understand - I am not my thoughts, but here's how I can use thoughts to my advantage. Working with her helped me let go of expectation and trust my gut when it comes to my business. As much as it was about business coaching, it was for my life too.
I had an epiphany the other month that I want to pay it forward and help coach others who are stuck in their heads. I've been responding to a lot of posts here, but I realized the only reason i'm able to help is because I got the help, so I wanted to share my experience.
Feel free to ask my anything :)
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How much did it cost you? How about if someone is broke with no help (most people leave once they know you are broke)
Why do people become coaches? Do 100% genuine coaches exist?
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I don't necessarily believe that there are no coaches who give good advice and do their jobs well. What I can't wrap my head around is someone even starting to coach to begin with. If you look at the wealthiest people in the world, none of them are coaches and rightfully so. True elites have more important things to put their time and energy into than coaching.
If I were running a successful company and earning a comfortable living ($10K/month or more), why would I become a coach when I could just focus on expanding my business or starting another one? I'm sure some of you are thinking that one doesn't necessarily have to have a successful business or high-paying career to become a good coach, but how is an average Joe qualified to give out high-level life and business advice? If you're not killing it in business and/or living a world-class lifestyle that you built for yourself, you can keep your life and business advice. If your advice is groundbreaking and worth thousands of dollars, you'd be living the life without having to become a coach or sell courses. If you were living the life without becoming a coach or selling courses, you likely would've never become a coach at all. If you do decide to become a coach despite being very wealthy and successful at business, I'm going to assume that you're a greedy, attention-seeker (i.e. Grant Cardone). It's a vicious cycle that makes me question if it's even possible for coaches to be 100% genuine. There's always something.
Let me know what you think down in the comments and tell me why you decided to become a coach if you're in this industry.
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I decided to become a coach because I’m a recovered hot ass mess and went through a lot of painful things trying to “fix myself”. I took a very long and winding painful road and I basically studied self-development non stop for myself for 15 ish years. I got certified, which honestly probably just gave me the confidence I needed, but I barely use any of the tools I learned during certification now. And the thought of being able to help people find a quicker, less painful path through all of the bullshit they have to work on sounded really rewarding to me and it is. I’m very intuitive. I have a good knack for making really hard things fun. And I’ve done all the work, I am my own client and I’m a huge pain in the ass to work with. 😂 and since I am so stubborn and hard headed, I’m very prepared to handle anything my clients bring to the session. I’m a general coach, do very little marketing, I do not coach other coaches. And I’ve had a full-time practice for five years, and I am able to fully support myself. I’m not swimming in hundred dollar bills or anything but that’s also really not my goal. Once I realized how unethical this industry can be, I stopped working with business coaches. I stopped doing any of that nonsense including setting revenue goals. I might go back to that at some point, but I’m not sure. I have a lot of resistance around it, so my goals are typically based on client results (and doing what ever I can to help them achieve those), creating new tools/concepts, good work life balance. And it’s worked out really well for me. My business has primarily grown through referrals from other clients. I don’t incentivize the referrals either. These are just a good old fashioned “ Hey, I noticed you help my friend with X can you help me?” Referrals. I do not think this is an easy industry to get into and I don’t think my results are the norm. I think I have amazing clients that talk about the work they do with me a lot and I’m a good coach. And I have a very high tolerance for navigating some bullshit, which was certainly required in the beginning of my business. 😂 It definitely didn’t play out the way I thought it would but I’m still glad I got into it.